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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-20707</link>
		<dc:creator>Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Flickr member, I stumbled upon your Flickr page via a link from Haggis Chick. I have been following both your works for some time, although I’m not the person to comment regulary. Mostly I get too caught up in the images to attribute a comment. But I was reading this debate and I want to react on this, since I find it an interesting issue.
First of all I want to say that I am deeply impressed. You could even say I was sometimes overwhelmed to look at such beauty. And with beauty, I do not mean the means of your appearance. 
I can honestly say that not once I considered you as “beautiful”, “pretty” or “ugly”. I do not see you as “the reason this picture was made”. To me you are just a subject, one of the many that makes an image what it is. And in an image, every detail is important. (I have a habit of looking at details, like in a film I’m mostly looking at backgrounds and so on, I find it interesting) The things I did think when gazing at ur pics was: “my god what a composition”, “how did she do that”, “that must’ve been hard work”.. and so on. 
Generally, I do believe that you can make everything and everyone beautiful if you want, sometimes it just takes more work. People all have something about themself to be proud of, if not their build, it can be the eyes, or the lips, of even your fingernails. I am not saying that it doesn’t help if you have an interesting build, but that is only one aspect of so many other things, and surely not of the highest importance. People can be interesting without being a “model by commercial standards”. 
It’s just all about how you put it forward.

I can also relate to your feelings about people thinking that it all comes so easy. I myself am a student illustration, and I know that creating an interesting picture is not laying back and do some clicking, to just “let the talent go it’s way”. It demands determination, dedication and a hell of a lot of work. For example, A lot of people ask me to make a drawing of this and that, thinking it will only take me an hour or so, when in fact, to get a satisfactory result, it takes days and days. 
(But I only have to draw, what is so hard about that?)
Also, when people get to hear I’m studying illustration, one of the first things they mostly ask is: “so you do get to draw naked people, do you?” “Are they good looking? Or are they old bats who want to get the impression they are sexy?” and other varieties of this kind. Let me tell you, we have all kinds of models, but mostly woman. I do not know why.  There is one girl that has the perfect measurements. She’s in her twenties, tall, slim, long hair, nice skin. One of the other models is a woman about 56, not really tall, and as you can imagine her age shows. Some parts are shaggy, she is not really tall, and so on.
And yet I prefer the older model a lot. I admire her for her dearing to sit totally naked in a class full of eyes focused on her body. I love the way she shines. She just makes herself comfortable, she is confident about herself, and it shows. It’s doesn’t matter that she has a lot of curves, not at all, because I find it’s more interesting to draw than the other model, who doesn’t have those curves. I do not think in terms of fat, anorexic, nice, pretty, ugly or whatsoever. I just draw the person that’s in there, I’m not making a copy of how she looks. If that was the case I would suggest to put her in front of a mirror, or to make a snapshot.

That is what I believe what art is about. We let others see what we are seeing, to give another interpretation of things. To try to get an emotion in visual. A detail that attracked your attention. Your views about things that you want to share. An experiment. Another part of yourself.
And how you look, and what others think, mostly don’t matter. 
Everyone sees an image in his/her own way, each with another personal background. We are all individuals with different passions and interests. 
Don’t let people who don’t share your passions get the best of you. Keep up the excellent work, I’m looking forward to new pics already. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Flickr member, I stumbled upon your Flickr page via a link from Haggis Chick. I have been following both your works for some time, although I’m not the person to comment regulary. Mostly I get too caught up in the images to attribute a comment. But I was reading this debate and I want to react on this, since I find it an interesting issue.<br />
First of all I want to say that I am deeply impressed. You could even say I was sometimes overwhelmed to look at such beauty. And with beauty, I do not mean the means of your appearance.<br />
I can honestly say that not once I considered you as “beautiful”, “pretty” or “ugly”. I do not see you as “the reason this picture was made”. To me you are just a subject, one of the many that makes an image what it is. And in an image, every detail is important. (I have a habit of looking at details, like in a film I’m mostly looking at backgrounds and so on, I find it interesting) The things I did think when gazing at ur pics was: “my god what a composition”, “how did she do that”, “that must’ve been hard work”.. and so on.<br />
Generally, I do believe that you can make everything and everyone beautiful if you want, sometimes it just takes more work. People all have something about themself to be proud of, if not their build, it can be the eyes, or the lips, of even your fingernails. I am not saying that it doesn’t help if you have an interesting build, but that is only one aspect of so many other things, and surely not of the highest importance. People can be interesting without being a “model by commercial standards”.<br />
It’s just all about how you put it forward.</p>
<p>I can also relate to your feelings about people thinking that it all comes so easy. I myself am a student illustration, and I know that creating an interesting picture is not laying back and do some clicking, to just “let the talent go it’s way”. It demands determination, dedication and a hell of a lot of work. For example, A lot of people ask me to make a drawing of this and that, thinking it will only take me an hour or so, when in fact, to get a satisfactory result, it takes days and days.<br />
(But I only have to draw, what is so hard about that?)<br />
Also, when people get to hear I’m studying illustration, one of the first things they mostly ask is: “so you do get to draw naked people, do you?” “Are they good looking? Or are they old bats who want to get the impression they are sexy?” and other varieties of this kind. Let me tell you, we have all kinds of models, but mostly woman. I do not know why.  There is one girl that has the perfect measurements. She’s in her twenties, tall, slim, long hair, nice skin. One of the other models is a woman about 56, not really tall, and as you can imagine her age shows. Some parts are shaggy, she is not really tall, and so on.<br />
And yet I prefer the older model a lot. I admire her for her dearing to sit totally naked in a class full of eyes focused on her body. I love the way she shines. She just makes herself comfortable, she is confident about herself, and it shows. It’s doesn’t matter that she has a lot of curves, not at all, because I find it’s more interesting to draw than the other model, who doesn’t have those curves. I do not think in terms of fat, anorexic, nice, pretty, ugly or whatsoever. I just draw the person that’s in there, I’m not making a copy of how she looks. If that was the case I would suggest to put her in front of a mirror, or to make a snapshot.</p>
<p>That is what I believe what art is about. We let others see what we are seeing, to give another interpretation of things. To try to get an emotion in visual. A detail that attracked your attention. Your views about things that you want to share. An experiment. Another part of yourself.<br />
And how you look, and what others think, mostly don’t matter.<br />
Everyone sees an image in his/her own way, each with another personal background. We are all individuals with different passions and interests.<br />
Don’t let people who don’t share your passions get the best of you. Keep up the excellent work, I’m looking forward to new pics already. <img src='http://missaniela.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-18744</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 06:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful work. Your attention to detail is stunning.  You have a great eye for composition and lighting.  I love how your photographs are somewhat hidden in shadows for the most part, but have an ethereal almost eternal light to them.  Keep up the great work, its so inspiring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful work. Your attention to detail is stunning.  You have a great eye for composition and lighting.  I love how your photographs are somewhat hidden in shadows for the most part, but have an ethereal almost eternal light to them.  Keep up the great work, its so inspiring!</p>
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		<title>By: Fabio Pazzini</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-18554</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabio Pazzini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I was talking about this one of yours:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ndybisz/2230613132</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I was talking about this one of yours:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ndybisz/2230613132" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ndybisz/2230613132</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fabio Pazzini</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-18553</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabio Pazzini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 00:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Aniela,
I'm glad that the first pic that brought me to your work had nothing of this beautiful craft/beautiful model dilemma, at least for me. I was, then, able to appreciate your craft, rather than reasoning if I liked it because of the model or the art. This  is yet my favorite of your (Flickr's) work.

Saying that, now I can browse through your images trying to see if I like them for the art, the craft, like I really did on that first one, and set aside if I find you attractive or not. 

Well, I'm not writing to get into the discussion, but rather to suggest you a look at Helga Stein's work, that flows a bit in this theme. Take a look at her Flickr's page: 
http://www.flickr.com/people/helgastein/

Her last post is from a year ago, probably because she's off that project by now. The whole idea came up on discussions questioning her beauty, specially on the internet, on chats, and then she started taking self portraits and modifying them to a point where they were no longer real images of herself (in a portrait sense). Something, anything, is always modified. There's never a 'real' portrait. In the end, you can no longer judge if she's pretty or not, and that's her provocative intention: who are we, really? are we real or not on the web? what really matters and when?

She probably got a lot of comments about her beauty, as well. But that's not she. Or, better saying, we'll never know what in those pics is real and what is not.
What belong to her and what not.

Beuty or not aside, keep up the good work.

Cheers, Fabio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Aniela,<br />
I&#8217;m glad that the first pic that brought me to your work had nothing of this beautiful craft/beautiful model dilemma, at least for me. I was, then, able to appreciate your craft, rather than reasoning if I liked it because of the model or the art. This  is yet my favorite of your (Flickr&#8217;s) work.</p>
<p>Saying that, now I can browse through your images trying to see if I like them for the art, the craft, like I really did on that first one, and set aside if I find you attractive or not. </p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m not writing to get into the discussion, but rather to suggest you a look at Helga Stein&#8217;s work, that flows a bit in this theme. Take a look at her Flickr&#8217;s page:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/helgastein/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/people/helgastein/</a></p>
<p>Her last post is from a year ago, probably because she&#8217;s off that project by now. The whole idea came up on discussions questioning her beauty, specially on the internet, on chats, and then she started taking self portraits and modifying them to a point where they were no longer real images of herself (in a portrait sense). Something, anything, is always modified. There&#8217;s never a &#8216;real&#8217; portrait. In the end, you can no longer judge if she&#8217;s pretty or not, and that&#8217;s her provocative intention: who are we, really? are we real or not on the web? what really matters and when?</p>
<p>She probably got a lot of comments about her beauty, as well. But that&#8217;s not she. Or, better saying, we&#8217;ll never know what in those pics is real and what is not.<br />
What belong to her and what not.</p>
<p>Beuty or not aside, keep up the good work.</p>
<p>Cheers, Fabio</p>
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		<title>By: Arty Smokes</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-18410</link>
		<dc:creator>Arty Smokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree that h's comment of April 18th, 2008 at 1:38 am appeared to be saying "Shut up".
While he/she/it is entitled to their own preferences, it is the artist's prerogative to completely ignore (or rebel against) such "advice".
Sure, some people only want to see pictures and not have to read an essay in order to gain a greater understanding of the context the artist places the work. But the artist should not have to change her methods just because someone doesn't like them. The text is a perfectly valid part of "the work". One might not agree with every word, but it's not like you have to read it. You can dismiss the text and just enjoy the pictures alone if you want to, but telling an artist what they &lt;I&gt;should&lt;/A&gt; do is arrogant, particularly when such comments have such a condescending "yawn, yawn" tone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that h&#8217;s comment of April 18th, 2008 at 1:38 am appeared to be saying &#8220;Shut up&#8221;.<br />
While he/she/it is entitled to their own preferences, it is the artist&#8217;s prerogative to completely ignore (or rebel against) such &#8220;advice&#8221;.<br />
Sure, some people only want to see pictures and not have to read an essay in order to gain a greater understanding of the context the artist places the work. But the artist should not have to change her methods just because someone doesn&#8217;t like them. The text is a perfectly valid part of &#8220;the work&#8221;. One might not agree with every word, but it&#8217;s not like you have to read it. You can dismiss the text and just enjoy the pictures alone if you want to, but telling an artist what they <i>should do is arrogant, particularly when such comments have such a condescending &#8220;yawn, yawn&#8221; tone.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Miss Aniela</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-17600</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Aniela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well no, I could give you a longer response if you want, a very thorough one which I often offer in response to commenters, but I did think it would be unwelcome. After all, your message was to concentrate on taking pics, not talking.

I think you had an interesting point but the way you phrased it was weird - as if to say 'shut up, we don't want to hear your opinion of your own work', rather than 'Oh I prefer your images to your words, that's just my opinon though, I will stick to looking at your gallery pages instead'.

People often encourage 'the artist' to not explain what he/she is doing, and whilst I think this is a comforting outlook (as if the art will say all, and nothing needs to be explained) I disagree that the artist talking somehow undermines their work, makes them look paranoid or unsecure. I also think it's an easy way out - as if 'art' is sacredly existent and doesn't need questioning. I think it would be too easy for me if I didn't verbally explore issues around my work especially when there are people who think my pics are all about tits and ass popularity. Writing stresses me out, which is why I take pictures instead, but I know that sometimes I have an issue to address that can only be done with words. Why should I be told to shut up? Can't I have an opinion like everyone else? What gives the viewer sole right to oratory?

Anyway, I agree with your point about 'talking to me through the pictures... challenging yourself to addres things visually', when taken out of the negative 'shut up' context. Some people would argue that I already do this. That is exactly why they don't need explanations or 'rants' from me that you might say try to fix the meaning. In a sense there is a contradiction then in what you are saying - work harder to put meaning into your pics, and yet don't talk about the art, don't worry about the art.
The more 'meaning' I try to put into pics, naturally the more I will want to talk about it verbally. The more complex and stressful the whole exercise of photography will become.
I do appreciate your valid comment, cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well no, I could give you a longer response if you want, a very thorough one which I often offer in response to commenters, but I did think it would be unwelcome. After all, your message was to concentrate on taking pics, not talking.</p>
<p>I think you had an interesting point but the way you phrased it was weird - as if to say &#8217;shut up, we don&#8217;t want to hear your opinion of your own work&#8217;, rather than &#8216;Oh I prefer your images to your words, that&#8217;s just my opinon though, I will stick to looking at your gallery pages instead&#8217;.</p>
<p>People often encourage &#8216;the artist&#8217; to not explain what he/she is doing, and whilst I think this is a comforting outlook (as if the art will say all, and nothing needs to be explained) I disagree that the artist talking somehow undermines their work, makes them look paranoid or unsecure. I also think it&#8217;s an easy way out - as if &#8216;art&#8217; is sacredly existent and doesn&#8217;t need questioning. I think it would be too easy for me if I didn&#8217;t verbally explore issues around my work especially when there are people who think my pics are all about tits and ass popularity. Writing stresses me out, which is why I take pictures instead, but I know that sometimes I have an issue to address that can only be done with words. Why should I be told to shut up? Can&#8217;t I have an opinion like everyone else? What gives the viewer sole right to oratory?</p>
<p>Anyway, I agree with your point about &#8216;talking to me through the pictures&#8230; challenging yourself to addres things visually&#8217;, when taken out of the negative &#8217;shut up&#8217; context. Some people would argue that I already do this. That is exactly why they don&#8217;t need explanations or &#8216;rants&#8217; from me that you might say try to fix the meaning. In a sense there is a contradiction then in what you are saying - work harder to put meaning into your pics, and yet don&#8217;t talk about the art, don&#8217;t worry about the art.<br />
The more &#8216;meaning&#8217; I try to put into pics, naturally the more I will want to talk about it verbally. The more complex and stressful the whole exercise of photography will become.<br />
I do appreciate your valid comment, cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: h</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-17590</link>
		<dc:creator>h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yawn... (i was actually waiting to see an interesting response..)

guess i'll keep skipping the verbose rants</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yawn&#8230; (i was actually waiting to see an interesting response..)</p>
<p>guess i&#8217;ll keep skipping the verbose rants</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Aniela</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-17569</link>
		<dc:creator>Miss Aniela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok. maybe best to stay off the blog pages then, plenty more petulance to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok. maybe best to stay off the blog pages then, plenty more petulance to come.</p>
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		<title>By: h</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-17551</link>
		<dc:creator>h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you write a lot about issues, and themes and so on... and while i enjoy your photographs, i find all your talking distracting me away from them. 

sure, i often appreciate the context in which a work of art develops, and at the same time, i find that the purity of visual work allows me to have my own reaction, informed by my own outlook.

i find that your opinions impose on my enjoyment, and detract from the work itself because while the photographs are enjoyable, the rants are petulant and self-absorbed. 

talk to me through the pictures... if your point isn't getting across, or if you have concerns or issues, challenge yourself to address them visually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you write a lot about issues, and themes and so on&#8230; and while i enjoy your photographs, i find all your talking distracting me away from them. </p>
<p>sure, i often appreciate the context in which a work of art develops, and at the same time, i find that the purity of visual work allows me to have my own reaction, informed by my own outlook.</p>
<p>i find that your opinions impose on my enjoyment, and detract from the work itself because while the photographs are enjoyable, the rants are petulant and self-absorbed. </p>
<p>talk to me through the pictures&#8230; if your point isn&#8217;t getting across, or if you have concerns or issues, challenge yourself to address them visually.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_MD</title>
		<link>http://missaniela.com/blog/2008/03/01/pretty-ugly#comment-17055</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Agree with Asgar and I am amazed to see that this is apparently still an issue. It seems that you more than anybody else on flickr seem to always have to justify yourself on being in your own pictures and looking OK, whereas if you would not be the photographer but 'only' the subject, this would not even be an issue. I enjoy your pictures, some more than others and in some you are dressed, in some you are naked and in some you are hardly visible. It is hardly an issue. Yes in various pics there is a lesser or stronger sense of erotism, but I think that has much more to do with the setting of the picture than with the fact whether you are attractive or not.
All of us can have a choice to look at your stream or at a number of different sites such as Suze Randall, Playboy or countless others were stunning models are photographed in a variety of sexual and inviting poses. I can't speak for anybody else but Usually, I choose your stream and why? The Playboy models can be quite pretty as well? Well, because your pictures are often just damn good or interesting.
If I see you in a picture in a state of undress, then sexality is not the fitrst thing that comes to mind. T&#38;A is not the first thing that comes to (my) mind, I usually think: Well that is a good picture, or even "Damn how did she do that". I do not have a holier than thou attitude and I can (and do) have raw sexual thoughts about how women look, but that is not at all what your pictures are about. You have interesting places, interesting settings and obviously a lot of work has gone into them. Is that all just icing on the cake of your perceived looks? Rubbish, it ís the cake. One of your all time best pictures I still find a picture in which in first instance you are not even visible (it is the picture of a river in which you are hidden under water). That is a classic. Do I like that for your beauty? No, you are hardly in it, I like it for its impact, creativity and Photoshop technique. If there is one picture that comes to mind that I find great, in which you are naked, then it is the one in which you kneel behind a telescope, again, you are only partly visible, but I find it a beautiful picture, not because you are beautiful (you are only partly visible) but because that has a creativity and a vibrancy that I do not see in a lot of other pictures. Well, I could just rant on as well, but let me just say that I really do not understand what the fuss is about, we are living in the 21st century and T&#38;A are all around us. Being beautiful is no substitute for making darn good and interesting pictures and I close with again greeing with Asgar, I am happy you have not given up on us yet, in spite of the ongoing 'criticism'. I dare everybody who wants to bring up that story again to instead get their camera's and just make good pictures. There are women on Flickr that are not particularly beautiful and who also make pictures that are appreciated by a wide audience. For some reason however, you always seem to have to justify yourself.
Your pics bring me enjoyment and inspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Agree with Asgar and I am amazed to see that this is apparently still an issue. It seems that you more than anybody else on flickr seem to always have to justify yourself on being in your own pictures and looking OK, whereas if you would not be the photographer but &#8216;only&#8217; the subject, this would not even be an issue. I enjoy your pictures, some more than others and in some you are dressed, in some you are naked and in some you are hardly visible. It is hardly an issue. Yes in various pics there is a lesser or stronger sense of erotism, but I think that has much more to do with the setting of the picture than with the fact whether you are attractive or not.<br />
All of us can have a choice to look at your stream or at a number of different sites such as Suze Randall, Playboy or countless others were stunning models are photographed in a variety of sexual and inviting poses. I can&#8217;t speak for anybody else but Usually, I choose your stream and why? The Playboy models can be quite pretty as well? Well, because your pictures are often just damn good or interesting.<br />
If I see you in a picture in a state of undress, then sexality is not the fitrst thing that comes to mind. T&amp;A is not the first thing that comes to (my) mind, I usually think: Well that is a good picture, or even &#8220;Damn how did she do that&#8221;. I do not have a holier than thou attitude and I can (and do) have raw sexual thoughts about how women look, but that is not at all what your pictures are about. You have interesting places, interesting settings and obviously a lot of work has gone into them. Is that all just icing on the cake of your perceived looks? Rubbish, it ís the cake. One of your all time best pictures I still find a picture in which in first instance you are not even visible (it is the picture of a river in which you are hidden under water). That is a classic. Do I like that for your beauty? No, you are hardly in it, I like it for its impact, creativity and Photoshop technique. If there is one picture that comes to mind that I find great, in which you are naked, then it is the one in which you kneel behind a telescope, again, you are only partly visible, but I find it a beautiful picture, not because you are beautiful (you are only partly visible) but because that has a creativity and a vibrancy that I do not see in a lot of other pictures. Well, I could just rant on as well, but let me just say that I really do not understand what the fuss is about, we are living in the 21st century and T&amp;A are all around us. Being beautiful is no substitute for making darn good and interesting pictures and I close with again greeing with Asgar, I am happy you have not given up on us yet, in spite of the ongoing &#8216;criticism&#8217;. I dare everybody who wants to bring up that story again to instead get their camera&#8217;s and just make good pictures. There are women on Flickr that are not particularly beautiful and who also make pictures that are appreciated by a wide audience. For some reason however, you always seem to have to justify yourself.<br />
Your pics bring me enjoyment and inspiration.</p>
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